{"id":2527,"date":"2023-02-07T20:42:56","date_gmt":"2023-02-07T20:42:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/aviation-news.info\/?p=2527"},"modified":"2024-08-12T15:13:15","modified_gmt":"2024-08-12T12:13:15","slug":"similarities-between-boeing-737-crash-in-wa-and-black-summer-fires-tragedy-says-expert","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aviation-news.info\/?p=2527","title":{"rendered":"Similarities between Boeing 737 crash in WA and Black Summer fires tragedy, says expert"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 class=\"YtLlr u5PGL r1bZO fMuGR fm7dv V2hL5 LS87j RDGP5 Z5947 _5pKBM HXgQg\" style=\"text-align: left;\" data-component=\"Heading\">Similarities in radar data<\/h2>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">University of New South Wales senior aerospace design lecturer Dr Sonya Brown said the radar data from the latest crash somewhat resembled the data from the fatal crash in 2020.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">&#8220;Obviously the investigation is in its very early stages, but we can already see the radar data of this aircraft,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">&#8220;The situation started with a situation at very low altitude \u2026\u00a0In 2020, the aircraft had just done a [retardant] drop and had tried to climb out of that, and it&#8217;s believed that part of the problem was a stall on the left wing,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">&#8220;Unfortunately, stalls at low altitude can absolutely be fatal.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Dr Brown said she suspected the latest crash in WA was likely caused by a similar &#8220;loss of lift or loss of control&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">&#8220;Coulson [Aviation] updated all of their safety procedures, some of their pilot training, etcetera, to try and avoid such an incident in the future. Yet, here we are just a few years later and we&#8217;ve had another incident,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"HTQDr _8ohDw yvdCO IfoSG\" role=\"group\" data-print=\"inline-media\" aria-labelledby=\"101943096\" data-component=\"Figure\" data-uri=\"coremedia:\/\/imageproxy\/101943096\">\n<div class=\"k9ANv\">\n<div class=\"ZYv7j\" data-component=\"AspectRatioContainer\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"_8VgO3 eLhlC\" src=\"https:\/\/live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au\/8e793340d2eca16caeb937697cef0cf4?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&amp;cropH=800&amp;cropW=1200&amp;xPos=0&amp;yPos=0&amp;width=862&amp;height=575\" sizes=\"100vw\" alt=\"A national park with mountains and the ocean\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption id=\"101943096\" class=\"YtLlr w0pvq eASP4 wyhGI _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Figure__figcaption\">The Boeing 737 large air tanker came down in the Fitzgerald River National Park on Monday.<cite class=\"YtLlr _6-U8a eASP4 wyhGI _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Figure__cite\">(<span class=\"YtLlr _3KUwV eASP4 fm7dv _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Byline\"><span class=\"YtLlr eASP4 wyhGI _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Text\">Supplied: WA Parks and Wildlife Service<\/span><\/span>)<\/cite><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">An investigation into the Black Summer Fires fatal crash found the NSW Rural Fire Service\u00a0<a class=\"Mgb+U eFAYl _6gEQP f7oap\" href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/news\/2022-08-29\/multiple-factors-behind-air-tanker-2020-crash-that-killed-three\/101381486\" data-component=\"ContentLink\" data-uri=\"coremedia:\/\/article\/101381486\">failed to pass on crucial information to the crew of the large air tanker, a C-130, before the crash<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"YtLlr u5PGL r1bZO fMuGR fm7dv V2hL5 LS87j RDGP5 Z5947 _5pKBM HXgQg\" style=\"text-align: left;\" data-component=\"Heading\">Crash investigation ongoing<\/h2>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) and the Department of Fire and Emergency Services (DFES) are both conducting separate investigations into the crash.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"_8ohDw yvdCO _54OLY ww8YX\" data-component=\"RelatedCard\" data-uri=\"coremedia:\/\/article\/101942620\">\n<div class=\"_7dSAr\" data-component=\"CardBox\">\n<h3 class=\"YtLlr u5PGL _4DVbs _4Fy2j +QELh O4WVj fm7dv h6iTm LS87j RDGP5 Z5947 _5pKBM HXgQg\" style=\"text-align: left;\" data-component=\"CardHeading\"><span class=\"rngwC\" data-component=\"KeyboardFocus\">WA premier &#8216;amazed&#8217; after Boeing 737 crash pilots survive<\/span><\/h3>\n<div class=\"eAgkz isbH8 _0SSrb GE+2W\" data-component=\"CardLayout\">\n<div class=\"Oa7Zb\">\n<p class=\"YtLlr oSrOo eASP4 fm7dv ui36U _5pKBM\" style=\"text-align: left;\" data-component=\"Typography\">Pictures emerge\u00a0from\u00a0the scene of a firefighting airliner\u00a0crash in southern WA, the first time a Boeing 737 has crashed on Australian soil.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"F6Ka2 mKoBI QBf9l BeLdI\">\n<div class=\"k9ANv\">\n<div class=\"ZYv7j\" data-component=\"AspectRatioContainer\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"_8VgO3 eLhlC\" src=\"https:\/\/live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au\/c704d2d39044b5152726dc9dad69245d?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&amp;cropH=666&amp;cropW=1184&amp;xPos=0&amp;yPos=29&amp;width=862&amp;height=485\" alt=\"A smoke plume coming out of bushland in an aerial shot. \" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><a class=\"Mgb+U eFAYl _6gEQP f7oap\" href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/news\/2023-02-07\/wa-boeing-737-plane-crash\/101939554\" data-component=\"Link\"><span class=\"+0dmF\"><span class=\"YtLlr JceSC fm7dv ui36U _5pKBM\" data-component=\"Typography\">Read more<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/aside>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">ATSB Chief Commissioner Angus Mitchel has said it would take some time to piece together exactly what happened.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">&#8220;What we will try and get a very good understanding of [is],\u00a0was there anything mechanical behind this? Was it in the tasking involved? Was it the environment involved?,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">&#8220;In this particular instance, it does look as though it&#8217;s potentially clipped the ridge line and has pancaked down.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Coulson Aviation temporarily grounded its air tankers across the country on a &#8220;stand-down day for welfare to rest the teams&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">In a statement, Coulson Group CEO Wayne Coulson said they were &#8220;not in a position to speculate or make further comment at this time&#8221; regarding the cause of the crash.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"HTQDr _8ohDw yvdCO IfoSG\" role=\"group\" data-print=\"inline-media\" aria-labelledby=\"101943586\" data-component=\"Figure\" data-uri=\"coremedia:\/\/imageproxy\/101943586\">\n<div class=\"k9ANv\">\n<div class=\"ZYv7j\" data-component=\"AspectRatioContainer\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"_8VgO3 eLhlC\" src=\"https:\/\/live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au\/5cfce95be6a3b90f1c909bfb097a87e7?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&amp;cropH=1080&amp;cropW=1620&amp;xPos=150&amp;yPos=0&amp;width=862&amp;height=575\" sizes=\"100vw\" alt=\"The wreckage of a plane\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption id=\"101943586\" class=\"YtLlr w0pvq eASP4 wyhGI _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Figure__figcaption\">The survival of two pilots who managed to free themselves from the wreckage\u00a0was described as a miracle.\u00a0<cite class=\"YtLlr _6-U8a eASP4 wyhGI _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Figure__cite\">(<span class=\"YtLlr _3KUwV eASP4 fm7dv _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Byline\"><span class=\"YtLlr eASP4 wyhGI _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Text\">ABC News<\/span><\/span>)<\/cite><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h2 class=\"YtLlr u5PGL r1bZO fMuGR fm7dv V2hL5 LS87j RDGP5 Z5947 _5pKBM HXgQg\" style=\"text-align: left;\" data-component=\"Heading\">More aviation incidents likely, expert says<\/h2>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">The fact both pilots on board the converted Boeing 737 survived the crash was described as a &#8220;miracle&#8221; by WA&#8217;s Premier Mark McGowan.\u00a0Dr Brown agreed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">&#8220;I think we are very, very lucky in this particular accident that the pilots are walking away,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"HTQDr _8ohDw yvdCO IfoSG\" role=\"group\" data-print=\"inline-media\" aria-labelledby=\"101942608\" data-component=\"Figure\" data-uri=\"coremedia:\/\/imageproxy\/101942608\">\n<div class=\"k9ANv\">\n<div class=\"ZYv7j\" data-component=\"AspectRatioContainer\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"_8VgO3 eLhlC\" src=\"https:\/\/live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au\/fb322c5d1dae716eb36ae520f0144e48?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&amp;cropH=651&amp;cropW=977&amp;xPos=10&amp;yPos=0&amp;width=862&amp;height=575\" sizes=\"100vw\" alt=\"Two men wearing air suits walking outside chatting to each other. \" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption id=\"101942608\" class=\"YtLlr w0pvq eASP4 wyhGI _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Figure__figcaption\">The two pilots, believed to be Canadian, managed to walk away from the fiery crash.<cite class=\"YtLlr _6-U8a eASP4 wyhGI _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Figure__cite\">(<span class=\"YtLlr _3KUwV eASP4 fm7dv _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Byline\"><span class=\"YtLlr eASP4 wyhGI _8teMo _5pKBM Z9DeZ\" data-component=\"Text\">ABC News<\/span><\/span>)<\/cite><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Dr Brown said more work needed to be done to ensure proper assessments of environmental factors were completed before air tankers were deployed, especially as they were being used more frequently to combat bushfires.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">The Boeing 737 which crashed on Monday had dropped just under 400,000 litres of retardant on eight bushfires in the last few weeks.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">&#8220;That&#8217;s the key thing we can do is better assessment of the local conditions to stop a [retardant] drop, which could be too hazardous,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"_39n3n\" style=\"text-align: left;\">&#8220;We do expect to see, unfortunately, an increase in incidents just because &#8230; we&#8217;re doing more of this work.&#8221;<\/p>\n<figure class=\"HTQDr _8ohDw yvdCO IfoSG\" role=\"group\" data-print=\"inline-media\" aria-labelledby=\"101943100\" data-component=\"Figure\" data-uri=\"coremedia:\/\/imageproxy\/101943100\">\n<div class=\"k9ANv\">\n<div class=\"ZYv7j\" data-component=\"AspectRatioContainer\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"_8VgO3 eLhlC alignleft\" 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